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Post by Chicago and Montreal on Feb 12, 2009 21:31:45 GMT -5
I'm confused? Why is one of the smartest GMs in the league, upset that he got beat in a deal if he agreed to it? So confused... b/c he had to get under the cap and thinks it's a conspiracy. . next time I'll deny it and Boyle can just be dropped to waivers instead, k? Super. |
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Post by FlyersGM on Feb 12, 2009 21:33:06 GMT -5
Keep up the good work...... I dunno how you turn down 1 deal and approve another with almost the same return in both. again ... I'll be more than happy to trade you a second for Pavelec, since you think Pavelec and a first is equal to a first and a second. keep up the whining. |
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Post by FlyersGM on Feb 12, 2009 21:35:18 GMT -5
b/c he had to get under the cap and thinks it's a conspiracy. . next time I'll deny it and Boyle can just be dropped to waivers instead, k? Super. yep ... it's a conspiracy. you got us figured out. sorry you waited until the last minute to get under the cap. I guess in actuality you should've been under before the first sim, but whatever. lemme know when you wanna do Pavelec for a second. |
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Post by Wild Sabre GM on Feb 12, 2009 21:49:23 GMT -5
The deal has been approved as CHI has dropped someone to get under the cap.
I think Calgary said it best when he said "Why is one of the smartest GMs in the league, upset that he got beat in a deal if he agreed to it?" No conspiracy but Wally is a good GM who likes to always get the better of everyone in deals. Can't blame him for that but the one time he isn't able to, cry conspiracy. You've had plenty of time to make a deal and I've notified everyone that was over cap and rosters that they needed to get under the cap. If you hadn't waited till last minute maybe you could have gotten more, maybe not, but you still got decent return and it is definitely within 60/40
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Post by Chicago and Montreal on Feb 12, 2009 22:29:47 GMT -5
Can't blame him for that but the one time he isn't able to, cry conspiracy. I never said anythin about that. Your buddy did. I thought he did a bad job, that's all. He shot down and approved 2 very similar deals. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2009 23:48:01 GMT -5
How did he do a bad job if you're the one who agreed to it? Seems like you did a bad job agreeing to a trade...It's actually ironic if you think back to the history of the league. After Chicago pillaging of idiotic GMs, it led to the implementation of the veto system. Now they're not doing a good enough job making sure you don't get beat on trades? Funny.
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Post by PralinePHX on Feb 13, 2009 3:15:27 GMT -5
Guys.
With a cap as high as we have, 95% of the deals the in the league are approved based on player vs player. Unfortunately whenever Wally, Florida, myself, or I think BlueJackets makes a deal the cap issue has to be taken into effect. And it could make a non 60/40 deal between, for example, Toronto and Tampa Bay into a 60/40 deal between "cap" teams.
So I'm not expressing if I think the deal is good or bad or anything, I just want to point out that teams up against the cap will agree to "worse" trades because of their relative cap position. And I don't want two trade officials to fight cause I love you guys too much.
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Post by ducks on Feb 13, 2009 3:28:06 GMT -5
I have a question for the future. This mainly goes to Wild and Toronto I guess now. Wally is over the cap...we make a trade which gets him closer to the cap but still a little over, and apparently it wont be approved unless he gets under?  That makes absolutely no sense. Just because hes still over the cap it shouldnt matter, unless he was gaining contract not shedding it. I want to know for the future |
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Post by FlyersGM on Feb 13, 2009 8:41:02 GMT -5
Can't blame him for that but the one time he isn't able to, cry conspiracy. I never said anythin about that. Your buddy did. I thought he did a bad job, that's all. He shot down and approved 2 very similar deals. Feel free to send me the PM about Pavelec for a 2nd any time now, k? I have a question for the future. This mainly goes to Wild and Toronto I guess now. Wally is over the cap...we make a trade which gets him closer to the cap but still a little over, and apparently it wont be approved unless he gets under? That makes absolutely no sense. Just because hes still over the cap it shouldnt matter, unless he was gaining contract not shedding it. I want to know for the future It's approved now ... Wally dropped someone. |
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Post by Wild Sabre GM on Feb 13, 2009 8:44:22 GMT -5
I have a question for the future. This mainly goes to Wild and Toronto I guess now. Wally is over the cap...we make a trade which gets him closer to the cap but still a little over, and apparently it wont be approved unless he gets under? That makes absolutely no sense. Just because hes still over the cap it shouldnt matter, unless he was gaining contract not shedding it. I want to know for the future After I informed everyone involved that the deal still puts Wally over the cap, he informed me of who to drop which I posted. What we can do from now on is this. Before any deal is approved, I will run the numbers in my files since we can't do it league files first. If the trade works for the cap on both teams, I will let the trade official know so the trade can be approved or not. If this makes one team go over the cap, the trade can't be approved and I/trade official will inform all necessary parties. So to sum up, from now on ALL trades will not be approved until I have put them in my files to make sure Roster Size and Salary Cap will not be violated. Does this work for everyone?? |
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Post by devilsgm2 on Feb 13, 2009 9:35:57 GMT -5
what is muggin
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Post by FlyersGM on Feb 13, 2009 9:44:30 GMT -5
I have a question for the future. This mainly goes to Wild and Toronto I guess now. Wally is over the cap...we make a trade which gets him closer to the cap but still a little over, and apparently it wont be approved unless he gets under? That makes absolutely no sense. Just because hes still over the cap it shouldnt matter, unless he was gaining contract not shedding it. I want to know for the future After I informed everyone involved that the deal still puts Wally over the cap, he informed me of who to drop which I posted. What we can do from now on is this. Before any deal is approved, I will run the numbers in my files since we can't do it league files first. If the trade works for the cap on both teams, I will let the trade official know so the trade can be approved or not. If this makes one team go over the cap, the trade can't be approved and I/trade official will inform all necessary parties. So to sum up, from now on ALL trades will not be approved until I have put them in my files to make sure Roster Size and Salary Cap will not be violated. Does this work for everyone?? yep ... how about every time a trade is posted I won't act until you PM me that it is approved rosterwise. |
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Post by Wild Sabre GM on Feb 13, 2009 9:47:26 GMT -5
After I informed everyone involved that the deal still puts Wally over the cap, he informed me of who to drop which I posted. What we can do from now on is this. Before any deal is approved, I will run the numbers in my files since we can't do it league files first. If the trade works for the cap on both teams, I will let the trade official know so the trade can be approved or not. If this makes one team go over the cap, the trade can't be approved and I/trade official will inform all necessary parties. So to sum up, from now on ALL trades will not be approved until I have put them in my files to make sure Roster Size and Salary Cap will not be violated. Does this work for everyone?? yep ... how about every time a trade is posted I won't act until you PM me that it is approved rosterwise. Think that is the best way to handle it from now on. I do have a question though, who approves trades if PHI and I make a deal. I know CHI was a trade approver in the past and think PHX may even be, is that still the case or is someone else doing approvals besides PHI and myself. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2009 11:05:35 GMT -5
Personally I think Boyle is worth a lot more than ANA's 1st and Pavelec and it's also very close to 60/40. However, the Brindy trade was a GM mortgaging what little future he had for another old guy in completely different circumstances. I also think that cap trades do need to be taken into consideration as Phoenix pointed out.
In the NHL Flyers have traded a 3rd and a 2nd to LA for them to take on JR and Gauthier respectively.
The other angle here is a few of the more "life members" or w/e are usually given free reign with what they have/want to do with their teams. If I wanted Pavelec real bad or w/e I wouldn't expect this trade to be disapproved if I were in Wally's position and there were no cap implications.
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Post by thrashers on Feb 13, 2009 15:18:31 GMT -5
^^Blues hit the nail on the head. Obviously, a trade made for cap purposes and involving the guys who have been around for a while must be viewed differently.
But trying to compare the Brind'Amour trade with this one is apples and oranges. I could see where you'd have beef if the Brindy trade was rejected b/c people thought you were getting ripped and then the Boyle deal went through despite you getting ripped even more. But trying to compare a deal where you got the better end to one where you didn't with the "same pieces" involved on one end of the deal is like saying well, Boyle is way better than Brind'Amour is bad.
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That makes absolutely no sense. Just because hes still over the cap it shouldnt matter, unless he was gaining contract not shedding it.