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Post by ducks on Feb 13, 2009 16:22:35 GMT -5
yep ... how about every time a trade is posted I won't act until you PM me that it is approved rosterwise. Think that is the best way to handle it from now on. I do have a question though, who approves trades if PHI and I make a deal. I know CHI was a trade approver in the past and think PHX may even be, is that still the case or is someone else doing approvals besides PHI and myself. I still dont think this makes sense. If Team A is 3 mil above the cap and he makes a trade to get him within 1 mil of the cap, it should be approved because he's losing salary. That trade isnt the one that put him over the cap |
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Post by Wild Sabre GM on Feb 13, 2009 16:27:08 GMT -5
Think that is the best way to handle it from now on. I do have a question though, who approves trades if PHI and I make a deal. I know CHI was a trade approver in the past and think PHX may even be, is that still the case or is someone else doing approvals besides PHI and myself. I still dont think this makes sense. If Team A is 3 mil above the cap and he makes a trade to get him within 1 mil of the cap, it should be approved because he's losing salary. That trade isnt the one that put him over the cap But he is still over the cap, doesn't matter if it's by one dollar or ten million. No trade will be approved that will put or keep a team over the cap. All deals must be in compliance with salary cap and roster limit. If you are over the cap, you must make a deal to get you under the cap, not closer to the cap. If deals are not done before the sim is run, then players will be dropped so that you are not playing with a roster that is over the cap. Of course we can't go back and apply this to what happened, but this will be applied to every deal moving forward. I think this is the only way we can ensure that no team goes over the cap or roster limit. And everyone has now been notified that this is the procedure. If the site goes down and is not accessible and you need to know what your roster/salary is, let me know. I keep separate files which are updated almost daily. |
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Post by PralinePHX on Feb 13, 2009 17:02:52 GMT -5
I understand ANA's reasoning in that the trade is making the team closer to being in compliance. I would ask that if there are multiple deals to get a team under/over a limit, that all deals be posted at the same time.
And yes, I'll approve any MIN or PHI trades.
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Post by Chicago and Montreal on Feb 13, 2009 17:06:24 GMT -5
I want Phily to justify turnin down Brindy for a 1st and 2nd and approving Boyle for a 1st and Pavelec.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2009 20:22:27 GMT -5
I understand ANA's reasoning in that the trade is making the team closer to being in compliance. I would ask that if there are multiple deals to get a team under/over a limit, that all deals be posted at the same time. And yes, I'll approve any MIN or PHI trades. Not sure I am understanding the rational of not letting a team progessively approach the cap? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2009 20:25:54 GMT -5
I want Phily to justify turnin down Brindy for a 1st and 2nd and approving Boyle for a 1st and Pavelec. We've been down this road before and aren't these arguments better left to PM? I don't know the circumstances but assuming that you were given the chance to downgrade a pick or add something to even it out it's your own fault for not accomodating Philly's request to even up the deal. I made my opinion very well known when the deal was posted obviously. |
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Post by PralinePHX on Feb 14, 2009 3:07:35 GMT -5
I understand ANA's reasoning in that the trade is making the team closer to being in compliance. I would ask that if there are multiple deals to get a team under/over a limit, that all deals be posted at the same time. And yes, I'll approve any MIN or PHI trades. Not sure I am understanding the rational of not letting a team progessively approach the cap? Because the only time this is necessary is at the end of summer when the new cap numbers come out, and I can think of one instance in a previous season where a guy made a trade and assumed he was under the cap (he didn't factor in his new waiver pick up made 450k). The trade was approved and he didn't take any action, and almost started the season needing a force drop. It's more of an extra step to make sure you don't get stuck with that penalty. In all honesty, if it happens to one a team a year I'll be surprised. |
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Post by ducks on Feb 14, 2009 3:32:01 GMT -5
yea but maybe wally makes this trade knowing he can unload someone else that doesnt cost much to get under, but hasnt completed that deal left, if this trade is rejected then he doesnt even have that option.
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Post by FlyersGM on Feb 14, 2009 8:37:32 GMT -5
I want Phily to justify turnin down Brindy for a 1st and 2nd and approving Boyle for a 1st and Pavelec. Several GMs felt the Brind'Amour deal was not 60/40 (as I did). I approached you (via PM) to discuss it and you said something like "I'm not adding anything." Avs then told me you two had discussed adding a minor piece to the deal (very minor) and asked if that would be approved, and I said I would allow it. That was the last I heard of it ... it was never posted again or anything. And for the zillionth time, you basically received two first for Boyle. My argument to you about Brind'Amour was he was having a terrible season and may not even play next season. You said he's a 71 OV now. At 38 and given his play, I didn't consider him the value of another 71 who is younger and playing well. Boyle is a 68, younger, and playing well (and you received more value for him). So I've justified my reasoning to you (again). You're the one who decided to not discuss the original deal at all. Don't blame me b/c you're stubborn. |
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Post by Chicago and Montreal on Feb 14, 2009 10:19:06 GMT -5
I want Phily to justify turnin down Brindy for a 1st and 2nd and approving Boyle for a 1st and Pavelec. Several GMs felt the Brind'Amour deal was not 60/40 (as I did). I approached you (via PM) to discuss it and you said something like "I'm not adding anything." Avs then told me you two had discussed adding a minor piece to the deal (very minor) and asked if that would be approved, and I said I would allow it. That was the last I heard of it ... it was never posted again or anything. And for the zillionth time, you basically received two first for Boyle. My argument to you about Brind'Amour was he was having a terrible season and may not even play next season. You said he's a 71 OV now. At 38 and given his play, I didn't consider him the value of another 71 who is younger and playing well. Boyle is a 68, younger, and playing well (and you received more value for him). So I've justified my reasoning to you (again). You're the one who decided to not discuss the original deal at all. Don't blame me b/c you're stubborn. Ok well i wasn't goin to discuss it cause i felt it was 60/40. I offered to tweek it a bit but Avs never got back to me. And Brindy signed a 5 year deal a couple seasons ago. I don't think he's goin retire. Also the way the rerates go, if a star player has an off year they only drop like 3 points. So that 71 becomes a 68 which is still pretty good. As for the Boyle deal........ Lets say i did get 2 late round 1sts, i don't think that's even close to his value. He's currently 3rd in points for dman. has a great rep for gettin points, is on a stacked team and is signed for a very long time. I'm not gettin any sure fire 1st liners in return for that. I got a good goalie prospect and a chance to draft someone decent. |
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Post by habsgm on Feb 14, 2009 10:27:03 GMT -5
when it comes to this deal i don't even see why we are discussing it. we've had how long to get under the cap? you ultimately posted the deal and agreed to same. if you felt it wasn't fair you won't have gone forward with it. the brindy deal wasn't even close. how old is he? brindy is 38 y.o. with 29 points and a -30! and saying he signed a 5 year deal a few years back doesn't make any sense (in '06). how many guys sign a long term deal and retire? brett favre? 3 year deal with the jets and 1 and done. you can argue how you were "mugged" all you want but that most likely was the best deal you were offered and took it so you won't lose him as a cap casualty. I know my offer to you wasn't good either, actually it was terrible. so this just needs to end at the deal was approved.
Also, on a side note can we get a new thread for 2009? summer's over.
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Post by Chicago and Montreal on Feb 14, 2009 12:23:59 GMT -5
when it comes to this deal i don't even see why we are discussing it. we've had how long to get under the cap? you ultimately posted the deal and agreed to same. if you felt it wasn't fair you won't have gone forward with it. the brindy deal wasn't even close. how old is he? brindy is 38 y.o. with 29 points and a -30! and saying he signed a 5 year deal a few years back doesn't make any sense (in '06). how many guys sign a long term deal and retire? brett favre? 3 year deal with the jets and 1 and done. you can argue how you were "mugged" all you want but that most likely was the best deal you were offered and took it so you won't lose him as a cap casualty. I know my offer to you wasn't good either, actually it was terrible. so this just needs to end at the deal was approved. All your proposals are horrible. And i put Boyle on the block for the 1st time a long time ago. Nice football comparison by the way. Completely irrelevant. "so this just needs to end at the deal was approved" Aren't we in the opinions of trades part of the board? |
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Post by habsgm on Feb 14, 2009 12:28:15 GMT -5
there are opinions, and then there is complaining............... thanks for the "compliment" on my football comparison, your sarcasm was difficult to pick up.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2009 13:33:28 GMT -5
if u didnt wanna make the Dan Boyle trade you should of just added somethin to the brindamour trade to make it even... even though u thought it was 60/40 the trade official (and a lot of other GMs for that matter) thought it wasnt 60/40.... last time I checked the trade official has last call... not wally. Done and done.
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Post by redwingsgm on Feb 14, 2009 13:51:31 GMT -5
Can we please move forward?
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