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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2005 21:53:46 GMT -5
Euros have to be drafted or signed by an NHL club before we can pick them up. They can be passed over 8 times and we still can't pick then up. Is it really that hard to understand? Shirokov couldn't be "picked up" as in claimed off of waivers. You are correct about that. Shirokov was elligible to be drafted by any team in this draft since he was elligible for the 2005 draft so you are wrong about that. However if he was drafted by a team this year by my understanding a team could snag him off of waivers before someone drafted him. I was hoping to try that but he was awarded BPA before I could've even tried (and he wasn't drafted anyway). Wally, you're not always right  |
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Post by Chicago and Montreal on Aug 13, 2005 21:54:05 GMT -5
How can you draft a guy that is illegal?
Just answer me that lol.
I'd like 4 red shirts this year lol.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2005 21:57:01 GMT -5
How can you draft a guy that is illegal? Just answer me that lol. I'd like 4 red shirts this year lol. If a guy is 2005 NHL draft elligible no matter if he is Euro or NA we can draft him. Is it that hard to understand? |
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Post by Chicago and Montreal on Aug 13, 2005 22:01:50 GMT -5
Euros have to be drafted or signed by an NHL club before we can pick them up. They can be passed over 8 times and we still can't pick then up. Is it really that hard to understand? Shirokov couldn't be "picked up" as in claimed off of waivers. You are correct about that. Shirokov was elligible to be drafted by any team in this draft since he was elligible for the 2005 draft so you are wrong about that. However if he was drafted by a team this year by my understanding a team could snag him off of waivers before someone drafted him. I was hoping to try that but he was awarded BPA before I could've even tried (and he wasn't drafted anyway). He didn't declare himself for the 04 draft. He was passed over in the 05 NHL draft. He would still be unclaimable according to our "Pock" rule. Why did Phoenix wait until Pock signed with the Rangers to claim him? He was passed over in many drafts. (just like shirokov) Phoenix still couldn't claim him. (just like we can't claim shirokov) He claimed him after he was signed. That's our euro rule as i understand it. |
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Post by Chicago and Montreal on Aug 13, 2005 22:03:52 GMT -5
How can you draft a guy that is illegal? Just answer me that lol. I'd like 4 red shirts this year lol. If a guy is 2005 NHL draft elligible no matter if he is Euro or NA we can draft him. Is it that hard to understand? Pock was passed over in his draft year yet Phoenix had to wait until he was signed by an NHL club. If he was a free agent like you say he should be (cause he was passed over in his draft year) Phoenix could have claimed him any time he wanted to. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2005 22:05:49 GMT -5
Shirokov couldn't be "picked up" as in claimed off of waivers. You are correct about that. Shirokov was elligible to be drafted by any team in this draft since he was elligible for the 2005 draft so you are wrong about that. However if he was drafted by a team this year by my understanding a team could snag him off of waivers before someone drafted him. I was hoping to try that but he was awarded BPA before I could've even tried (and he wasn't drafted anyway). He didn't declare himself for the 04 draft. He was passed over in the 05 NHL draft. He would still be unclaimable according to our "Pock" rule. Why did Phoenix wait until Pock signed with the Rangers to claim him? He was passed over in many drafts. (just like shirokov) Phoenix still couldn't claim him. (just like we can't claim shirokov) He claimed him after he was signed. That's our euro rule as i understand it. Dammit Wally. Pock was claimed on waivers and is a completely different story. Shirokov "declared" himself for the NHL 2005 draft therefore he is elligible to be DRAFTED in OUR DRAFT but NOT claimed off of waivers. |
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Post by Chicago and Montreal on Aug 13, 2005 22:06:47 GMT -5
How can you draft a guy that is illegal? Just answer me that lol. I'd like 4 red shirts this year lol. If a guy is 2005 NHL draft elligible no matter if he is Euro or NA we can draft him. Is it that hard to understand? Also Elco Deboer's draft was 1998 i think. That was the year to draft him in our league. We didn't have the league then. He becomes a Thomas Pock. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2005 22:08:38 GMT -5
If a guy is 2005 NHL draft elligible no matter if he is Euro or NA we can draft him. Is it that hard to understand? Also Elco Deboer's draft was 1998 i think. That was the year to draft him in our league. We didn't have the league then. He becomes a Thomas Pock. And how does that effect anything we are talking about? |
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Post by Chicago and Montreal on Aug 13, 2005 22:09:04 GMT -5
He didn't declare himself for the 04 draft. He was passed over in the 05 NHL draft. He would still be unclaimable according to our "Pock" rule. Why did Phoenix wait until Pock signed with the Rangers to claim him? He was passed over in many drafts. (just like shirokov) Phoenix still couldn't claim him. (just like we can't claim shirokov) He claimed him after he was signed. That's our euro rule as i understand it. Dammit Wally. Pock was claimed on waivers and is a completely different story. Shirokov "declared" himself for the NHL 2005 draft therefore he is elligible to be DRAFTED in OUR DRAFT but NOT claimed off of waivers. That's irrelevant to Jackets situation and him wanting to pick himself up off waivers. Unless Elco has papers declaring himself eligable for the real NHL 05 draft he can't be drafted in our league. |
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Post by Chicago and Montreal on Aug 13, 2005 22:11:27 GMT -5
Also Elco Deboer's draft was 1998 i think. That was the year to draft him in our league. We didn't have the league then. He becomes a Thomas Pock. And how does that effect anything we are talking about? It has everythin to do lol. You said we can draft euros that were passed over in the real 05 draft. Elcos draft year was 98. It's passed. He's a european free agent. He has to be signed by an NHL club to be picked off waivers in our league. Like Pock. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2005 22:15:30 GMT -5
And how does that effect anything we are talking about? It has everythin to do lol. You said we can draft euros that were passed over in the real 05 draft. Elcos draft year was 98. It's passed. He's a european free agent. He has to be signed by an NHL club to be picked off waivers in our league. Like Pock. and unlike Shirokov Why are we talking about Elco and Pock when they are waiver claims. Shirokov was drafted in our league. |
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Post by Chicago and Montreal on Aug 13, 2005 22:19:46 GMT -5
It has everythin to do lol. You said we can draft euros that were passed over in the real 05 draft. Elcos draft year was 98. It's passed. He's a european free agent. He has to be signed by an NHL club to be picked off waivers in our league. Like Pock. Why are we talking about Elco and Pock when they are waiver claims. Shirokov was drafted in our league. According to you Shirokov is eligable to be drafted in our league cause he made himself eligable in the NHL draft. Passed over or not he can be drafted by us. We're good on that. Pock and Elco are in the same boat. They were both euro free agents in our league. Pock signed with the Rangers to make himself active on waivers here. Elco is still uneligable for waivers here because he's unsigned in the real NHL. He can't be drafted here because he did not decalre himself for the real NHL draft. Just like no real NHL team can draft him in 05. We can't draft him in 05. |
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Post by PralinePHX on Aug 13, 2005 22:22:57 GMT -5
If a guy is 2005 NHL draft elligible no matter if he is Euro or NA we can draft him. Is it that hard to understand? Pock was passed over in his draft year yet Phoenix had to wait until he was signed by an NHL club. If he was a free agent like you say he should be (cause he was passed over in his draft year) Phoenix could have claimed him any time he wanted to. No no, I did not claim Pock because I did not understand how that CBA rule worked at the time. I didn't think the NHL Rangers could claim him due to all euro players needing to be drafted. However, a Euro player who played in NCAA does not need to be drafted if over the age of 20. At that time I changed the offical GMH rules to read: The entry draft will take place over the summer while the NHL is not in session. All age requirements match the NHL's (ask if you are unsure about Euro or overager rules) which doesn't explain well enough. Here is how it should be based off the expired CBA (still waiting for a copy of the new one) Players born in North America who opted into an NHL draft can be selected via waivers. Players born in Europe must be drafted by a GMH team to be added to a roster or red shirt list (this rule was not in effect during the first year of play as prospect rosters were being built). What this means - if the GMH was in effect a few years ago, and the NHL Philadelphia Flyers drafted Roman Cechmanek in the 6th round but no one in GMH bothered, no one in the GMH could claim him off of waivers. He could be drafted via the next entry draft by whomever wanted. What this also means - a GMH team can draft a Euro player 18 or older in anticipation of that player being drafted in the real NHL. For example, I could draft a player such as Istomin who (as far as I know) was never drafted by an NHL team even tho he was like 5th in assists in Russia. Then, if next year if an NHL team takes a gamble on him, he's already on your roster. Thus those GMH teams who took draftees who were passed over in the NHL retain their rights. In the NHL, those rights were retained for life, but in the GMH those rights are retained until the end of redshirt and/or drop from 40 man roster. So as far as this "issue" - Elco DeBoer was born overseas, did not play in NCAA or CHL and thus must be drafted before a GMH team can use him. Any questions, please ask, I'll try and get this all into the offical rules (in a condensed fashion). Then again if the real CBA/IIHF is radically different we will be changing as well. Hopefully its not. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2005 22:28:37 GMT -5
Why are we talking about Elco and Pock when they are waiver claims. Shirokov was drafted in our league. According to you Shirokov is eligable to be drafted in our league cause he made himself eligable in the NHL draft. Passed over or not he can be drafted by us. We're good on that. Pock and Elco are in the same boat. They were both euro free agents in our league. Pock signed with the Rangers to make himself active on waivers here. Elco is still uneligable for waivers here because he's unsigned in the real NHL. He can't be drafted here because he did not decalre himself for the real NHL draft. Just like no real NHL team can draft him in 05. We can't draft him in 05. So what were we arguing about!?!?!? |
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Post by Chicago and Montreal on Aug 13, 2005 22:34:57 GMT -5
So is Elco on the blue jackets? If so what happens if say florida drafts him? Would florida get him from jackets? (cause jackets picked him from waivers) If Elco has to be drafted in GMHL 1st how can jackets pick Elco off waivers before he's drafted?  |
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