2006 GMHL Entry Draft order

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wally112pac said:

Screw that.

Do it the day of the draft like it was planned.

I lucked out with Skille last year and i'm takin whoever the Hawks pick at #3 this year.

well then just take toews, thats who its gunna be.

[Preds]

I still think its rather retarded we have our draft the same day as the NHL. Everyone is just mad that they picked a player in the 2nd round in our league and he went in the 5th and sometimes not even drafted in the real NHL.

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preds said:

I still think its rather retarded we have our draft the same day as the NHL. Everyone is just mad that they picked a player in the 2nd round in our league and he went in the 5th and sometimes not even drafted in the real NHL.

I agree. I know im one of the newer Gms so sometimes i feel bad about even giving my opinion about league stuff, but it just seems like it takes a lot of the GMing out of the league. The people who take the time to read up on guys and catch as many games as they can should be rewarded...I know I know, people don't have the resources of others, but honestly you can get a great idea of a player based on articles and message boards, thats how preds does a lot of his scouting, sure we catch the odd whl game but thats it. Most the time there isn't even many draft worthy guys. You should be able to compile a good list of people through ISS, Hfboards.com, hockeynews mag or online, and even places like usa today have stuff.

[FlyersGM]

I guess my counter to the above comments is ... why don't you just do that anyway? We can all agree that during the real NHL draft there are teams who go off the board to select someone. We've criticized certain picks, ect. It's not like we're plugging each team into a slot in the draft and automatically assigning a player to him. Our GMs still need to decide who to take and when to take them. Buffalo took Valabik at No. 4 in our 2004 draft, and he didn't go till 10th in the real draft. And Wheeler, who we all agreed PXH reached on, didn't go until 13th in our draft.

Compare for yourselves:

www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2004e.html

gmhl2.proboards19.com/index.cgi?board=draft3&action=display&thread=1087408607

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flyersgm said:

I guess my counter to the above comments is ... why don't you just do that anyway? We can all agree that during the real NHL draft there are teams who go off the board to select someone. We've criticized certain picks, ect. It's not like we're plugging each team into a slot in the draft and automatically assigning a player to him. Our GMs still need to decide who to take and when to take them. Buffalo took Valabik at No. 4 in our 2004 draft, and he didn't go till 10th in the real draft. And Wheeler, who we all agreed PXH reached on, didn't go until 13th in our draft.

Compare for yourselves:

www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2004e.html

gmhl2.proboards19.com/index.cgi?board=draft3&action=display&thread=1087408607

I don't really know why that makes your point. My point was that all the research and time should pay off to those to study. Your point was that people go off the board? My point was that I could do more research then you, and then you see a player go early, but ive done the scouting already so i knew he was a good player and could go early, whereas all you have to do is sit and watch the nhl draft, thats all the scouting you have to do.

[Preds]

I agree, like if the 2005 draft had happened before ours I prob wouldnt have gotten setoguchi cause everyone woulda saw an NHL team TRADE UP to take him, even though he was pegged around 20th... But my scouting paid off in that scenario instead.

[redwingsgm]

...And this marks the 274th time we've had this argument since our league began

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redwingsgm said:

...And this marks the 274th time we've had this argument since our league began

Well, when are we going to learn? I thought this was a league about skill and knowledge of the game? A keeper league that is elite in a sense that you need to have knowledge of more than just the NHL? What happened to that?

[Preds]

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calgaryflames said:

Phx, i thought the voting for starting like a week early was pretty much split down the middle, can't we start it a little earlier. Im sure the people in the top 10 positions pretty much know the top 3 ppl they will take and don't need to worry about not seeing whl games ect. thats only for the 2nd round basically. It would just be nice to start on like the 20th or something, get the ball movin a bit.

The vote was actually 6 to 2 against with two people in the top ten not voting.

Plus with so many first round picks held by, um, very active GM's I expect this to be our shortest draft ever.

I actually am going to be away from the 23rd to 25th so my pick will likely be delayed if im up on the sunday until I get home.

[Chicago and Montreal]

I've read about the drafties every day since the season began.

I don't mind having our draft the same day as the NHL.

And it was retarted last year anyway. We were at like pick 65 the day the NHL had their draft. All the remaining 1st rounders got scooped up in the next 5 picks.

I can only see 3 logical options for us.

Have our draft done before the NHLs. (but then what do we do during the off season?)

Start our draft on the same date as the NHL.

Do the first 10 picks before the NHLs then stall until the real one starts.

[Kings and Devils]

I say if were gona do it this way we should do our drafts a year late instead..

[FlyersGM]

calgaryflames said:

flyersgm said:

I guess my counter to the above comments is ... why don't you just do that anyway? We can all agree that during the real NHL draft there are teams who go off the board to select someone. We've criticized certain picks, ect. It's not like we're plugging each team into a slot in the draft and automatically assigning a player to him. Our GMs still need to decide who to take and when to take them. Buffalo took Valabik at No. 4 in our 2004 draft, and he didn't go till 10th in the real draft. And Wheeler, who we all agreed PXH reached on, didn't go until 13th in our draft.

Compare for yourselves:

www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2004e.html

gmhl2.proboards19.com/index.cgi?board=draft3&action=display&thread=1087408607

I don't really know why that makes your point. My point was that all the research and time should pay off to those to study. Your point was that people go off the board? My point was that I could do more research then you, and then you see a player go early, but ive done the scouting already so i knew he was a good player and could go early, whereas all you have to do is sit and watch the nhl draft, thats all the scouting you have to do.

In reality, the NHL Draft is just another list to go by. Reading the ISS, CSS, Hockey News, whatever draft guides gives numerous lists to go by. For the GMs who are really involved, they don't see a guy get picked at "X" slot, then immediately draft him b/c they see he was picked there in the NHL Draft. But the draft serves as another opinion of some professional.

For example, I had my eye on Ben Bishop all year last year... I figured I could get him in the fourth round. But when 85th in the NHL Draft, I knew some of our other GMs would see that and consider moving in and taking him sooner. So I took him in the 70s.

I don't see how the NHL Draft order makes the picks right ... go through all the NHL picks over the past few seasons and see how often the NHL teams are wrong. Sometimes they're right, sometimes the scouting services are right, sometimes both are right, sometimes neither are right. Why does anyone make the assumption that b/c an NHL team picks a guy somewhere he warrants that spot? ... That he'll perform better than the guy picked after him?

It's really all a crapshoot. I, personally, did enjoy the draft last year. It was fun to see how all the GMs went about their business in making their selections. But at this point i just don't think it's possible to do our draft soon enough that it would be over before the real one happens. And even if it was possible, it doesn't change anything ... it's still a crapshoot.

[Wild Sabre GM]

flyersgm said:

calgaryflames said:

I don't really know why that makes your point. My point was that all the research and time should pay off to those to study. Your point was that people go off the board? My point was that I could do more research then you, and then you see a player go early, but ive done the scouting already so i knew he was a good player and could go early, whereas all you have to do is sit and watch the nhl draft, thats all the scouting you have to do.

In reality, the NHL Draft is just another list to go by. Reading the ISS, CSS, Hockey News, whatever draft guides gives numerous lists to go by. For the GMs who are really involved, they don't see a guy get picked at "X" slot, then immediately draft him b/c they see he was picked there in the NHL Draft. But the draft serves as another opinion of some professional.

For example, I had my eye on Ben Bishop all year last year... I figured I could get him in the fourth round. But when 85th in the NHL Draft, I knew some of our other GMs would see that and consider moving in and taking him sooner. So I took him in the 70s.

I don't see how the NHL Draft order makes the picks right ... go through all the NHL picks over the past few seasons and see how often the NHL teams are wrong. Sometimes they're right, sometimes the scouting services are right, sometimes both are right, sometimes neither are right. Why does anyone make the assumption that b/c an NHL team picks a guy somewhere he warrants that spot? ... That he'll perform better than the guy picked after him?

It's really all a crapshoot. I, personally, did enjoy the draft last year. It was fun to see how all the GMs went about their business in making their selections. But at this point i just don't think it's possible to do our draft soon enough that it would be over before the real one happens. And even if it was possible, it doesn't change anything ... it's still a crapshoot.

What he said!!

[Preds]

I disagree completely. All scouting services dont have nearly as much "on the line" when making their lists. NHL teams draft players who are going to make the team money by bringing fans into the seats. They also draft players to win the cup, and also for chemistry needs of the team. I agree that sometimes teams go off the board to select a player because of team need, and that can effect opinions of GMs in our league on a player, but either way, the NHL teams are almost always much more precise with their picks.

[Preds]

Also, I dont see how people are saying that its not possible to have our first round done before the NHLs. It is entirely possible, all we have to do is shift our season back 1 month in order to finish 1 month early and have our first round of our draft done before the NHLs. Simple. We cant do it this year, but if we plan for it next year then it'll be better. Also that way our offseason will be better in a sense that it will be 1 month shorter since our season starts early and the NHLs ends "later" in a sense now. Our offseason would only be like 2 months. (when I say offseason i mean time between either GMHL action or NHL action.)