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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2004 19:11:02 GMT -5
Sharks got shafted in this last trade. Although it may not mean much to you Turco was sucking for him this season. His defense is pretty good and Turco was averaging 2.68 goals against a game and a .895 save percentage. Im hoping he does much better than that for me. If he doesn't then I lose out cause Nabokov was more than solid on a very similar defensive team when he was playing for Pittsburgh. |
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Post by Chicago and Montreal on Dec 24, 2004 20:11:31 GMT -5
Trades aren't judged season season stats.
That would never work.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2004 20:54:55 GMT -5
Trades aren't judged season season stats. That would never work. Maybe not for you. If Turco had a 4.00 GAA and a .800 save percentage would I trade Nabokov for him if he was just rated higher? How about if I was debating between trading for Langkow (78 OV) who has like 5 goals and 5 assists or Cassels (75 OV) who has 10 goals and 20 assists? I think many GMs here have forgotten what the point of the league is. Just cause someone has a higher rating doesn't mean they are worth that much more if the numbers are worse. There are a lot of guys who have low offensive ratings but produce a lot in the sim and some guys with high offensive numbers who score little. I would rather have the guy producing points. EDIT Let me add im not suggesting they should impact this trade much at all but when someone is playing poorly obviously their value goes down so a GM is more likely to trade them. So saying that season stats doesn't affect someone's value isn't true at all. |
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Post by pens&preds on Dec 24, 2004 21:05:32 GMT -5
Sharks got shafted in this last trade. I think it's pretty even myself. |
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Post by Chicago and Montreal on Dec 24, 2004 21:21:23 GMT -5
Maybe not for you. If Turco had a 4.00 GAA and a .800 save percentage would I trade Nabokov for him if he was just rated higher? How about if I was debating between trading for Langkow (78 OV) who has like 5 goals and 5 assists or Cassels (75 OV) who has 10 goals and 20 assists? I think many GMs here have forgotten what the point of the league is. Just cause someone has a higher rating doesn't mean they are worth that much more if the numbers are worse. There are a lot of guys who have low offensive ratings but produce a lot in the sim and some guys with high offensive numbers who score little. I would rather have the guy producing points. EDIT Let me add im not suggesting they should impact this trade much at all but when someone is playing poorly obviously their value goes down so a GM is more likely to trade them. So saying that season stats doesn't affect someone's value isn't true at all. Sorry Blues. Stats don't mean anything. Look at the season Khabibulin and Belfour are having. Are you tryin tell me if either of them got traded for potvin or prusek it would get passed? Players on 1 team will produce differently on another. Dempseys value didn't shoot up to 84 last year cause he won the Norris. It didn't shoot up at mid season. He could have got traded and went to back to playin like a 75. |
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Post by ducks on Dec 24, 2004 22:14:52 GMT -5
i'm sorry but khabby for prusek is wayyy off from turco for nabokov, nabokov is an amazing goalie and had an amazing season, i think he should have equal value to turco
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Post by Kings and Devils on Dec 24, 2004 22:16:45 GMT -5
I'd say this trade was pretty fair.
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Post by Chicago and Montreal on Dec 24, 2004 22:18:49 GMT -5
i'm sorry but khabby for prusek is wayyy off from turco for nabokov, nabokov is an amazing goalie and had an amazing season, i think he should have equal value to turco That wasn't my point. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2004 0:55:22 GMT -5
Sorry Blues. Stats don't mean anything. Look at the season Khabibulin and Belfour are having. Are you tryin tell me if either of them got traded for potvin or prusek it would get passed? Players on 1 team will produce differently on another. Dempseys value didn't shoot up to 84 last year cause he won the Norris. It didn't shoot up at mid season. He could have got traded and went to back to playin like a 75. Of course Khabibulin for Prusek would be unfair. What im saying is when a goalie is playing poorly no matter what his rating is it affects his value. Im saying it should affect the trade a little bit because the point of getting a player is for him to play good for you. Ratings don't matter once the guy is on your team what matters is what he brings to the team. So basically when an 83 OV goalie like Turco is playing poorly and an 81 OV goalie like Nabokov is playing good their values become a little closer. I never said that it means everything when it comes to value but you always like to twist what I say around anyway. |
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Post by Chicago and Montreal on Dec 25, 2004 1:19:57 GMT -5
So basically when an 83 OV goalie like Turco is playing poorly and an 81 OV goalie like Nabokov is playing good their values become a little closer. I never said that it means everything when it comes to value but you always like to twist what I say around anyway. You never said it means everything when you just mentioned it in the quote above?  Stats mean nothing. They can't. People can get ripped off too easily that way. Rangers can take 73 Kristian Huselius who has 29 points and deal him for 82 Keith Tkachuk who has 30 points and say 1 is havin a good year and 1 is havin a bad year so it's ok. It's 83 for 81. That's how all trades are judged. |
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Post by PralinePHX on Dec 25, 2004 2:41:03 GMT -5
You guys are totally ruining Prusek's trade value in this thread.
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Post by buffalogm on Dec 25, 2004 2:43:27 GMT -5
Fair deal, IMO
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2004 11:19:55 GMT -5
You never said it means everything when you just mentioned it in the quote above? Stats mean nothing. They can't. People can get ripped off too easily that way. Rangers can take 73 Kristian Huselius who has 29 points and deal him for 82 Keith Tkachuk who has 30 points and say 1 is havin a good year and 1 is havin a bad year so it's ok. It's 83 for 81. That's how all trades are judged. Are you slow? I said their values become a little closer. Do you know what a little means? Honestly how many times do I need to say it doesn't mean that a 73 with more points is worth an 82 with less points. I am saying a guy with 40 points who has an 80 OV may be closer to the value of a guy with an 83 OV who has 20 points. Try and twist that around it's pretty easy to understand. When I say affects value a little thats what it means. A little. Not the whole guys value. I never said once it affects the whole value. You never said it means everything when you just mentioned it in the quote above? "So basically when an 83 OV goalie like Turco is playing poorly and an 81 OV goalie like Nabokov is playing good their values become a little closer. " How the hell do you get stats mean everything out of that post? read the last 5 words..... values become a little closer..... Closer doesn't mean everything  |
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Post by Chicago and Montreal on Dec 25, 2004 11:32:37 GMT -5
It's Christmas.
Arguments over.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2004 12:01:55 GMT -5
It's Christmas. Arguments over.  |
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